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		<title>By: Albert Klamt</title>
		<link>http://www.vincenthorn.com/2006/12/05/steve-frazee-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-856</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert Klamt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 12:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very clear structured and perveived comment from Steve.

As I am myself was involved this year to fund a worldclass project in higher media Education in Dubai and to share many thoughts in preparation of the start off with chancellor and founder I can imagine what it takes for phase 2.

Fully agree with Steve:

&quot;In closing, I would say this:

What is it that we expect of Ken that we are not fit to do ourselves? Ken has drawn the map; that is his genius. We should use the map to serve the world. Maybe many of us are using Ken as a reason to not encounter our own power and highest purpose. Ken may never be successful at turning Integral Institute into a healthy and professional organization. Let’s not use his failure as our excuse. I for one will be reading Ken Wilber for the rest of my life and using his work to serve the world in all I do.&quot;

This was already my conviction in 2002. And its in fulleast appreciation of Ken Genius whom I see for 26 yeas as Einstein of Consciousness even in times when in Germany everybody said:
&quot;Ken who?&quot;

My sincere and deepest wishes for Kens health and may Steve go on with his excellent work.

Greetings from Germany,Berlin,

Albert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very clear structured and perveived comment from Steve.</p>
<p>As I am myself was involved this year to fund a worldclass project in higher media Education in Dubai and to share many thoughts in preparation of the start off with chancellor and founder I can imagine what it takes for phase 2.</p>
<p>Fully agree with Steve:</p>
<p>&#8220;In closing, I would say this:</p>
<p>What is it that we expect of Ken that we are not fit to do ourselves? Ken has drawn the map; that is his genius. We should use the map to serve the world. Maybe many of us are using Ken as a reason to not encounter our own power and highest purpose. Ken may never be successful at turning Integral Institute into a healthy and professional organization. Let’s not use his failure as our excuse. I for one will be reading Ken Wilber for the rest of my life and using his work to serve the world in all I do.&#8221;</p>
<p>This was already my conviction in 2002. And its in fulleast appreciation of Ken Genius whom I see for 26 yeas as Einstein of Consciousness even in times when in Germany everybody said:<br />
&#8220;Ken who?&#8221;</p>
<p>My sincere and deepest wishes for Kens health and may Steve go on with his excellent work.</p>
<p>Greetings from Germany,Berlin,</p>
<p>Albert</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://www.vincenthorn.com/2006/12/05/steve-frazee-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-855</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Steve.  I&#039;ll most definitely direct people in that direction.

-Vince Horn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Steve.  I&#8217;ll most definitely direct people in that direction.</p>
<p>-Vince Horn</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Frazee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Frazee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince,

Thank you for posting my comment.

I have been overwhelmed by email questions from around the world about I-I.  It seems I am being called to provide some transparency to a confused and concerned Integral community.

Over the next weeks I&#039;ll be doing a brain dump on my Zaadz blog.  The first post is here:

http://frazee.zaadz.com/blog/2006/12/integral_university_fact_or_fiction

It is my intention to share information in a postive way and for the service of all.

Blessings,
Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince,</p>
<p>Thank you for posting my comment.</p>
<p>I have been overwhelmed by email questions from around the world about I-I.  It seems I am being called to provide some transparency to a confused and concerned Integral community.</p>
<p>Over the next weeks I&#8217;ll be doing a brain dump on my Zaadz blog.  The first post is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://frazee.zaadz.com/blog/2006/12/integral_university_fact_or_fiction" rel="nofollow">http://frazee.zaadz.com/blog/2006/12/integral_university_fact_or_fiction</a></p>
<p>It is my intention to share information in a postive way and for the service of all.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>By: hokai</title>
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		<dc:creator>hokai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, vince. &lt;a href=&quot;http://prosvjetljenje.net/2006/12/integral-dreams.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
here&#039;s my two cents&lt;/a&gt;. all this looks a bit differently from across the pond. stay cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, vince. <a href="http://prosvjetljenje.net/2006/12/integral-dreams.html" rel="nofollow"><br />
here&#8217;s my two cents</a>. all this looks a bit differently from across the pond. stay cool.</p>
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		<title>By: ebuddha</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebuddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince,

Thanks for the additional information - and yes, it definitely sounds like Steve had a very practical grounding in these type of concerns!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince,</p>
<p>Thanks for the additional information &#8211; and yes, it definitely sounds like Steve had a very practical grounding in these type of concerns!</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Steve seemed to have a full handle on the burn rate and how it related to the overall business plan.  In fact, I&#039;ve heard him talk about that particular issue several times, and his plan included that information.

Granted, I don&#039;t know whether or not it would have worked, or what the specifics were.  Steve would have to give that info.  But I do get the sense that he was the only person @ I-I (minus maybe one or two other individuals) who had any finance experience under their belts.  That is including Ken.

Good point though eBud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Steve seemed to have a full handle on the burn rate and how it related to the overall business plan.  In fact, I&#8217;ve heard him talk about that particular issue several times, and his plan included that information.</p>
<p>Granted, I don&#8217;t know whether or not it would have worked, or what the specifics were.  Steve would have to give that info.  But I do get the sense that he was the only person @ I-I (minus maybe one or two other individuals) who had any finance experience under their belts.  That is including Ken.</p>
<p>Good point though eBud.</p>
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		<title>By: ebuddha</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebuddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EXPENSES going out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXPENSES going out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ebuddha</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebuddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, the question is about the burn rate - revenue coming in versus revenue going out- not about funds raised.

I&#039;ve seen 50 million raised, and then gone in a 10 mil monthly burn rate.

Sustainability for an organization requires something different.

Now of course, I have no idea of Integral Institue&#039;s particular situation - Steve may well have had a good handle on the revenue picture and the burn rate - but the simple fact of raising 3 million doesn&#039;t address this question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, the question is about the burn rate &#8211; revenue coming in versus revenue going out- not about funds raised.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen 50 million raised, and then gone in a 10 mil monthly burn rate.</p>
<p>Sustainability for an organization requires something different.</p>
<p>Now of course, I have no idea of Integral Institue&#8217;s particular situation &#8211; Steve may well have had a good handle on the revenue picture and the burn rate &#8211; but the simple fact of raising 3 million doesn&#8217;t address this question.</p>
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		<title>By: ~C4Chaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>~C4Chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great inside info dawg! didn&#039;t know that. nice.

my take is somewhat general since i don&#039;t know any of the details. but here&#039;s what i&#039;ve felt all along. i don&#039;t care what KDub says about second-tier organizations, if you don&#039;t have a solid first-tier to back it up, it&#039;s highly unlikely that it will take sail. maybe there are exceptions, but just because there are exceptions doesn&#039;t mean that the are no rules. in fact, the exceptions uphold the rules.

having said that, i wish I-I well. most organizations go through a series of changes until they succeed or fail altogether. in any case, i hope the management at I-I practice what they preach: organizations go through stages as well. also, they have access to people like &lt;a href=&quot;http://in.integralinstitute.org/talk.aspx?id=92&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peter Senge&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://in.integralinstitute.org/contributor.aspx?id=27&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fred Kofman&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://in.integralinstitute.org/contributor.aspx?id=44&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Otto Scharmer&lt;/a&gt;, etc... maybe it&#039;s time to consult them to get to the bottom of what&#039;s going on at I-I. it&#039;s hard to make a case for &lt;a href=&quot;http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/foreword-spirit.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Integral Business&lt;/a&gt; is the flagship is not doing well.

my two cents.

~C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great inside info dawg! didn&#8217;t know that. nice.</p>
<p>my take is somewhat general since i don&#8217;t know any of the details. but here&#8217;s what i&#8217;ve felt all along. i don&#8217;t care what KDub says about second-tier organizations, if you don&#8217;t have a solid first-tier to back it up, it&#8217;s highly unlikely that it will take sail. maybe there are exceptions, but just because there are exceptions doesn&#8217;t mean that the are no rules. in fact, the exceptions uphold the rules.</p>
<p>having said that, i wish I-I well. most organizations go through a series of changes until they succeed or fail altogether. in any case, i hope the management at I-I practice what they preach: organizations go through stages as well. also, they have access to people like <a href="http://in.integralinstitute.org/talk.aspx?id=92" rel="nofollow">Peter Senge</a>, <a href="http://in.integralinstitute.org/contributor.aspx?id=27" rel="nofollow">Fred Kofman</a>, <a href="http://in.integralinstitute.org/contributor.aspx?id=44" rel="nofollow">Otto Scharmer</a>, etc&#8230; maybe it&#8217;s time to consult them to get to the bottom of what&#8217;s going on at I-I. it&#8217;s hard to make a case for <a href="http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/foreword-spirit.cfm" rel="nofollow">Integral Business</a> is the flagship is not doing well.</p>
<p>my two cents.</p>
<p>~C</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in regards to eBuddha&#039;s comment, I think it&#039;s helpful to point out that before I left I-I Steve was in the process of raising (he did so successfully) some 3 million dollars for this new business plan (aka Phase 2).  He seemed, more then anyone else, to have a solid sense of what was needed on the financial side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in regards to eBuddha&#8217;s comment, I think it&#8217;s helpful to point out that before I left I-I Steve was in the process of raising (he did so successfully) some 3 million dollars for this new business plan (aka Phase 2).  He seemed, more then anyone else, to have a solid sense of what was needed on the financial side.</p>
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