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	<title>Comments on: Rationalizing Awakening Away</title>
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		<title>By: Vince Horn</title>
		<link>http://www.vincenthorn.com/2008/06/10/rationalizing-awakening-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1093</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

I agree there are definitely many reasons that people take up the practice, some better and some worse, though I would argue that it&#039;s almost impossible, no matter how you start practice, to start with a right attitude.  Right attitude is almost always something that is refined through correct practice, and through real and lasting insight.  I think we could both agree that some of the reasons to start are probably better then others, but if someone is sincere, and willing to question their reasons, then that is enough.  :-D  Maybe that is what you mean by right attitude?

take care,

-Vince</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>I agree there are definitely many reasons that people take up the practice, some better and some worse, though I would argue that it&#8217;s almost impossible, no matter how you start practice, to start with a right attitude.  Right attitude is almost always something that is refined through correct practice, and through real and lasting insight.  I think we could both agree that some of the reasons to start are probably better then others, but if someone is sincere, and willing to question their reasons, then that is enough.  <img src='http://www.vincenthorn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />   Maybe that is what you mean by right attitude?</p>
<p>take care,</p>
<p>-Vince</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Splinter</title>
		<link>http://www.vincenthorn.com/2008/06/10/rationalizing-awakening-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1092</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Splinter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Vince.

There are other reasons people practice, though. They may wish to escape pain, or develop concentration in other areas of life, or please a partner, or other reasons. Their goals are different, at least initially, but if the correct attitude can be instilled in them, they can (hopefully) achieve their initial goals and be turned towards enlightenment as another goal. This is why I think attitude is more important.

Best back at you,

-Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Vince.</p>
<p>There are other reasons people practice, though. They may wish to escape pain, or develop concentration in other areas of life, or please a partner, or other reasons. Their goals are different, at least initially, but if the correct attitude can be instilled in them, they can (hopefully) achieve their initial goals and be turned towards enlightenment as another goal. This is why I think attitude is more important.</p>
<p>Best back at you,</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Horn</title>
		<link>http://www.vincenthorn.com/2008/06/10/rationalizing-awakening-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steven,

I would agree, partially, with your point.  Right attitude (or right view) is a necessary ingredient, however in the beginning I don&#039;t think the attitude matters so much as long as it promotes practice.  The practice, if done correctly, will clarify the view.  If people see it as a goal and are inspired to pour all of the their effort and energy into attaining it (as I did), they may have to grapple with the striving that accompanies that in their practice, but I think they&#039;ll have a better chance at doing so than the people who don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible and thus don&#039;t practice.

Best,

-Vince</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steven,</p>
<p>I would agree, partially, with your point.  Right attitude (or right view) is a necessary ingredient, however in the beginning I don&#8217;t think the attitude matters so much as long as it promotes practice.  The practice, if done correctly, will clarify the view.  If people see it as a goal and are inspired to pour all of the their effort and energy into attaining it (as I did), they may have to grapple with the striving that accompanies that in their practice, but I think they&#8217;ll have a better chance at doing so than the people who don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible and thus don&#8217;t practice.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>-Vince</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Splinter</title>
		<link>http://www.vincenthorn.com/2008/06/10/rationalizing-awakening-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Splinter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent quote. :)

One comment on the idea that we should see enlightenment as something we can achieve in this lifetime: it should be accompanied with the right attitude. Part of the reason I think many view enlightenment as something rare and unable to be achieved in this lifetime is because enlightenment then becomes a goal like in a video game. Practitioners can be trapped in striving after this elusive goal, and that action becomes self-defeating, like chasing a rainbow. Awareness of the moment is a good skill to have, and is a necessary part of enlightenment. It&#039;s just one part of it, though, and that&#039;s where the teacher, dharma and sangha come in to remind us to keep going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent quote. <img src='http://www.vincenthorn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One comment on the idea that we should see enlightenment as something we can achieve in this lifetime: it should be accompanied with the right attitude. Part of the reason I think many view enlightenment as something rare and unable to be achieved in this lifetime is because enlightenment then becomes a goal like in a video game. Practitioners can be trapped in striving after this elusive goal, and that action becomes self-defeating, like chasing a rainbow. Awareness of the moment is a good skill to have, and is a necessary part of enlightenment. It&#8217;s just one part of it, though, and that&#8217;s where the teacher, dharma and sangha come in to remind us to keep going.</p>
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		<title>By: Duff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent quote indeed, and very inspiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent quote indeed, and very inspiring.</p>
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