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	<title>Comments on: The Spiritual Map of the Elders</title>
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		<title>By: Damon</title>
		<link>http://www.vincenthorn.com/2008/11/18/the-spiritual-map-of-the-elders/comment-page-1/#comment-595258</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vince, 

That is indeed, a nice clear description. I&#039;ve taken a recent interest in your fine site Buddhist Geeks, along with the work of Daniel Ingram. I can see that my own practice would have benefited from the clarity and clear staging offered by you and Daniel. 

What I&#039;d like to know is how to comment on Buddhist Geek podcasts. Mention is often made of comments, however, I can see no way to do so. 

Cheers....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vince, </p>
<p>That is indeed, a nice clear description. I&#8217;ve taken a recent interest in your fine site Buddhist Geeks, along with the work of Daniel Ingram. I can see that my own practice would have benefited from the clarity and clear staging offered by you and Daniel. </p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to know is how to comment on Buddhist Geek podcasts. Mention is often made of comments, however, I can see no way to do so. </p>
<p>Cheers&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Horn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi &quot;theravadin&quot;,

Yes, it&#039;s a great map of the same territory.  I definitely enjoyed reading it.  :)

Also, I&#039;d just add that I don&#039;t think it&#039;d be hard at all, to find several stream-winners (or higher) who have mastered the jhanas to contribute in a scientific study mapping the correlates of shamatha and vipassana jhanas to brain states.  There are many of them around that are interested in such things, and there are some very good reasons to do such studies.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8220;theravadin&#8221;,</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s a great map of the same territory.  I definitely enjoyed reading it.  <img src='http://www.vincenthorn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d just add that I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;d be hard at all, to find several stream-winners (or higher) who have mastered the jhanas to contribute in a scientific study mapping the correlates of shamatha and vipassana jhanas to brain states.  There are many of them around that are interested in such things, and there are some very good reasons to do such studies.</p>
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		<title>By: theravadin</title>
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		<dc:creator>theravadin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vince, did you ever get a chance to look at this map:

http://theravadin.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/vipassana-knowledge-and-the-path-to-nibbana/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vince, did you ever get a chance to look at this map:</p>
<p><a href="http://theravadin.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/vipassana-knowledge-and-the-path-to-nibbana/" rel="nofollow">http://theravadin.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/vipassana-knowledge-and-the-path-to-nibbana/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Personal Practice Questions&#8230; &#124; Numinous Nonsense</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personal Practice Questions&#8230; &#124; Numinous Nonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a recent comment on my post on The Spiritual Map of the Elders I got some very good follow-up questions. I’d like to answer them in this post, one at a time. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a recent comment on my post on The Spiritual Map of the Elders I got some very good follow-up questions. I’d like to answer them in this post, one at a time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Horn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob,

Great questions.  If you don&#039;t mind I was thinking of answering them in a blog post, as I think each one of them has an extended answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>Great questions.  If you don&#8217;t mind I was thinking of answering them in a blog post, as I think each one of them has an extended answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Horn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I suspect there are some very striking similarities.  Having read some of Father Thomas Keating&#039;s work I can immediately see a direct connection between the dark night of the senses (and what precedes it) with what is this model are the A&amp;P and the Dark Night (or knowledge of suffering).  Yeah, I share your interest in doing a comparison of the models, though I think that kind of thing would clearly be a massive group effort...  

In this model the &quot;spontaneous awakening&quot; that people describe (including those without previous practice) is almost always a reference to the Arising and Passing Event--or what Jack Kornfield calls pseudo-nirvana.  The problem is the dark night quickly follows and for those without a formal practice it&#039;s very difficult to make it through that territory and to the 1st stage of enlightenment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I suspect there are some very striking similarities.  Having read some of Father Thomas Keating&#8217;s work I can immediately see a direct connection between the dark night of the senses (and what precedes it) with what is this model are the A&#038;P and the Dark Night (or knowledge of suffering).  Yeah, I share your interest in doing a comparison of the models, though I think that kind of thing would clearly be a massive group effort&#8230;  </p>
<p>In this model the &#8220;spontaneous awakening&#8221; that people describe (including those without previous practice) is almost always a reference to the Arising and Passing Event&#8211;or what Jack Kornfield calls pseudo-nirvana.  The problem is the dark night quickly follows and for those without a formal practice it&#8217;s very difficult to make it through that territory and to the 1st stage of enlightenment.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for summarizing this material so succinctly. How many hours of meditation would you guess you logged until you initially encountered &#039;The Three Characteristics&#039;? Not to belabor the obvious, but your approach seems to strongly emphasize mindfulness of mind and to some degree bodily sensations. I wonder, though, if The Four Immeasurables of Loving-Kindness, compassion, empathetic joy and equanimity have played a role in your practice? I have read that these &quot;skillfull means&quot; can serve as an effective compliment to the applications of mindfulness. Also, to what degree have you focused purely on honing concentration, or &quot;shamatha&quot;, and if you have - was there a specific &quot;sign&quot; that allowed you to move more into insight meditation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for summarizing this material so succinctly. How many hours of meditation would you guess you logged until you initially encountered &#8216;The Three Characteristics&#8217;? Not to belabor the obvious, but your approach seems to strongly emphasize mindfulness of mind and to some degree bodily sensations. I wonder, though, if The Four Immeasurables of Loving-Kindness, compassion, empathetic joy and equanimity have played a role in your practice? I have read that these &#8220;skillfull means&#8221; can serve as an effective compliment to the applications of mindfulness. Also, to what degree have you focused purely on honing concentration, or &#8220;shamatha&#8221;, and if you have &#8211; was there a specific &#8220;sign&#8221; that allowed you to move more into insight meditation?</p>
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		<title>By: Per</title>
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		<dc:creator>Per</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great review, Vince! Very helpful. 

Do you have any insights in whether these phases are common also for those using different practices? For instance, Christian mystics who rely on prayer, or even those who have a spontaneous awakening without prior practice? Would be interesting to explore the similarities and differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great review, Vince! Very helpful. </p>
<p>Do you have any insights in whether these phases are common also for those using different practices? For instance, Christian mystics who rely on prayer, or even those who have a spontaneous awakening without prior practice? Would be interesting to explore the similarities and differences.</p>
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